Tuesday, August 24, 2010

9/11 Mosque? ... NO!

Opposing Mosque Does Not Violate Freedom of Religion!
The Islamic fanatics that we are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are for sure in favor of this Mosque being built. And make no mistake Imam Rauk is not a moderate trying to build bridges. Listen to his own words: click here. The 80 million radical Muslims who are spread throughout the Muslim world will surely see this mosque as a world headquarters for their cause. We must all come to the conclusion ... there is a worldwide jihad to conquer the world for Islam. Now are American Muslims, with only .6% of our population followers of this Jihad? For the most part, obviously not. But you can estimate there are 50,000 followers already in America who would join the radicals against America if given the chance. The political goals, plans and Koranic instructions of worldwide Islam clearly make it different that all other religions, and as a result it should be treated differently. The jihad is an act of war and our enemies are using mosques as points of attack; and for planning and training of jihadists worldwide. Until we are able to come to grips with this reality, America and the world will never be safe from the dangers posed by Islam. If Christians were using churches as safe havens from which to plan and launch attacks on our citizens, I would be the first to say ... these fanatics must be stopped. I know this sounds crazy, because it is not happening here yet ... but view the clips on this post, and then tell me what you think. Watch the clips here:Two Islams

Posted: 24 Aug 2010 Liberty Juice ... begin
The mosque at ground zero… It’s become one of those hot topics that most people feel very strongly about, no matter what side your opinion falls on. I’ve read article after article, listened to different pundits and taken into consideration all of the comments that I’ve read on the issue. However, there are a few arguments in favor of the mosque that keep circulating that baffle me because they are completely irrelevant, no matter how hard the liberals try to convince you of the opposite, to the real debate.

I’ve heard repeatedly that we should be supportive of this endeavor because America has the right to Freedom of Speech and the Freedom of Religion. Without delving too deeply into the hypocrisy of the left, who seeks to eliminate speech when they can’t debate it and win (see the Fairness Doctrine and Net Neutrality) and who abhor and seek to diminish the intelligence of those who treasure their faith in this country (see the liberals applaud to Obama as he mocks those who “cling to their guns and religion”).

Liberals, on both of these issues, historically wave a very wobbly and unconvincing flag. They hold their nose when around people of faith, mock them behind their backs, and would eliminate both rights for all Americans as quickly as possible, given the slightest opportunity. So, I do find it quite hilarious and ironic that all of a sudden; the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion rights now have as some of it’s greatest champions and defenders, those very same people who constantly seek to destroy it outside of this incident.

For those of you who have been swayed by this argument, it’s because you have eaten up the sound bites without much thought or consideration to the debate. Let me be clear, nobody is attempting to do away with anyone’s right to speech or religion. Those amendments and clauses specifically mean that the government will not throw you in prison or retaliate if you practice your religion and/or engage in free speech, as long as you aren’t infringing on the rights or harming anyone else. Given that and the fact that nobody has threatened these people with prison or government retaliation, those arguments are completely irrelevant to the discussion. Freedom of speech is a two-way street and it doesn’t mean that your speech won‘t result in other other forms of consequences. For example, I have the right to insult whomever I wish, most likely without fearing prison time. Yet, I know the consequence of that may be that someone will choose to defend themselves and scream right back at me.

People in favor of the mosque essentially looming over our 9/11 cemetery are free to speak as loudly in favor of it as they wish. However, those of us who find it insulting, degrading, and heartbreaking have just as much of a right to protest in an equally passionate manner.

Nobody is saying these people cannot build a mosque!! The thousands of mosques that are throughout our country are testimony to the fact that we liberally apply and value our freedom of religion.

However, those who are in charge of this endeavor say they do so in order to “build ties.” Yet, when you know that at least 70% of Americans are not in favor of this and you realize that chaos, heartbreak and wounds that are being reopened as a result of this pursuit, why would you think that it would be at all successful in healing?

Certainly, not every Muslim is an extremist. We know this. Many of them have adopted the American culture and love this country. But the extremists within the Islamic community does run large and deep and they absolutely detest America. In fact, it consists of at least 7% of Muslims, which means there are about 80 million Muslim extremist worldwide. That being said, it’s an asinine point to try and compare this to a Timothy McVeigh incident or to a church being built near the Oklahoma City bombing. Timothy McVeigh was no Christian. In fact, it’s pretty well known that he was an atheist. But, for the sake of example, let’s pretend that he did this under the guise of Christianity and in the name of God. Christianity would be under fire, but most of the world and anyone with a shred of common sense would know that it was an anomaly…an exception to the rule. Because, Christians don’t go around blowing things up. But, extremist Muslims, and there are many of them, do.

The entire world has had to change the way it goes about traveling, airports are barely recognizable as they were pre-9/11, and countries all over the world are on constant vigilance against none other than radical Muslims. This is not so because of Christianity or other religions. Only because of Islam. So, let’s call a spade a spade and quit comparing this to an isolated incident with some mental wacko.

We must also take into consideration that historically Muslims build mosques in areas that they have conquered. The Koran (018:021) states: ’Build a building over them, their Lord knows best about them;’ and those who prevailed in their affair said, ’We will surely make a mosque over them.’ What message would this send echoing across the world and what kind of radicalism with this further inspire for the 80 Million extremists worldwide? It should be no surprise that there are a ton of religious and extremists implications to this entire business.

The bottom line is this… anybody attempting to unite, heal and build ties, as they claim is their intent, would not continue down what is clearly a provocative and painful road for not just New Yorkers, but Americans. They would not have resisted meetings with Governor Paterson, concerning a more logical, less painful place for their message- mere blocks away.

Charles Krauthammer said it best in his own take:

Just as the people of Japan today would not think of planting their flag at Pearl Harbor, despite the fact that no Japanese under the age of 85 has any possible responsibility for that infamy, representatives of contemporary Islam — the overwhelming majority of whose adherents are equally innocent of the infamy committed on 9/11 in their name — should exercise comparable respect for what even Obama calls hallowed ground and take up the governor’s offer.
Posted: 24 Aug 2010 Liberty Juice ... end

Now think about this additional reality. The 80 million radical Muslims worldwide are on a quest or Jihad to conquer the world. They have already positioned themselves to control all of Europe within the next 30 years. When that happens, those European Muslims who are now moderate, will join with the radicals. How do I know this? Because if they don't ... they will be stoned to death. Also, the truth is that the radicals are following the teachings of the Koran which teaches that in any conquered nation ... sharia and the Koran will be the ruling law. Bibles, and Christian churches, and other religions will either be forbidden, or at best be allowed to exist as inferior citizens.

Do we want that reality from any religion in America? Even if it were Christianity? Based upon what I have been reading and listening to from the Christian leaders in America ... no thank you. I will keep my freedom of speech and my freedom of religion, just as they are. True Biblical Christianity has been distorted so much, that I won't be surprised to hear someone call themselves an atheist Christian in the near future. Why not, there are millions of atheists in America that call themselves Christians already while at the same time denying the Bible and denying that Jesus is anything more than a good teacher. Any religion, Christianity or otherwise that becomes the state religion will surely be perverted in the same ways our constitution has been twisted.

God Bless you my friends, Bob


  1. Hi Bob,

    While I acknowledge that all Americans can exercise freedom of religion, I find it difficult to fathom how one can erect a monument or mosque that exalts Islam at a sight where Islamics murdered so many people. If Muslims want to convince Westerners that they are peaceful, then I would think that they would be sensitive to the pain and loss so many Americans experienced from the 911 terrorist attacks.

    If a group of Nazi's wanted to build on a site where Jews were exterminated, the intent would be obvious. If a group of racists wanted to build on a site and display the confederate flag where Africans were sold, the intent would be obvious.

    Anyone who claims to be religious, peaceful, caring and loving of others (regardless of religious beliefs) must recognize the hypocrisy of an action that inflames the emotions of others.

    Asserting that "America has slaughtered and murdered over a million innocent children in Iraq and Afghanistan" is not the way one starts a dialog if you want to present an honest representation of the Muslim religion.

    Am I to accept the notion that I cannot condemn acts of terrorism because America's military has caused civilian casualties in a war zone? I grieve for familes in those countries that have suffered losses because of armed conflict in that region, but the civilian casualties have not all been the result of US military action, Muslims have murdered Muslims as well.

    To use a Tit-for-Tat philosophy to seemingly justify acts of terrorism is in itself cowardly and to me it is insulting to think that this approach will convince the majority of Americans that Muslims want to live in peace.

    It is this reason why Americans believe that Muslims are fanatical, despite their attempt to talk softly, and calmly as though this approach conveys a peaceable religious belief. Time magazine published a story (Afghan Women and the Return of the Taliban) of a young woman who was disfigured as a result of a decision by a Taliban judge. How does a husband cut the ears and nose off of his eighteen year old wife? How is this kind of behavior justified by a religion?

    It is, as I've said the fanatical acts of Muslims that concern Americans. Behavior that denies true submission, love, peace, compassion and kindness. If Islam teaches these concepts, then many Muslims have thoroughly rejected this and have embraced a heresy of their faith.


  2. Well said MTJ. It is even much worse than that. Infant and young girls are sold and forced into marriages to unknown men who often beat, molest and rape them. For the baby girls to complain or resist leads to more horrors. Women and girls are beaten and can be mutilated as you noted, as well as stoned to death for objecting to the will of their husbands. Islam is evil.

  3. Bob -

    I have been struggling with this issue for some time. As believers, how are we to respond? I completely agree with your assessment and agree with you and MTJ that there is a huge problem with radical Islam. And I find myself wanting to get involved with some militia and hope to reclaim our country.

    However, as Christians we're told to engage our enemies with love and compassion to share the gospel. That is already taking place with many Christians becoming martyrs as a result. The Bible talks about the end times. I'm thinking we're getting awfully close.

    I believe we should defend our freedoms much in the same way the founders of this country did with Britain. But I think that time has passed. The demographics of this country is showing how diluted the American spirit is. This country probably has already been taken over, and we don't realize it.

    Just curious as to you, MTJ, or other believers who would have an opinion as to what the response of believers should be to the Muslims taking over our country.

    Very detailed and well-researched post. Thank you for sharing! God bless!

  4. Dean Spencer,

    In all honesty, I think we need a legal definition of religion. We are not currently in posssession of one.

    Islam is a GOVERNMENT. Not a religion. It is a fascist government, which governs a vast expanse of the world, violates human rights, and rules and reigns with an iron rod.

    Any "religion" that is the constitutional law of a country, should be classified as a government, imo.

    If the Quran is the law of the land, it is the legal government of that land, and the written constitution of that land, and constitutes a foreign GOVERNMENT.

    The constitution of our land guarantees us a republican form of government and requires us to defend this free land from the invasion of foreign governments, so that it might remain free.

    No religion, of any kind, should be allowed to violate human rights as defined by both the Geneva Convention and the United Nations Bill of Rights. Nor should any religion be allowed to circumvent the court systems and legal requirements of any nation. The constitution of this country guarantees that the government shall make no laws respecting religion. If we were to allow Islam their own courts, their own justice system, would we not be respecting their religion above all others? God is no respecter of persons. Neither is the constitution.

    We must decide what kind of a country we wish our children to inherit.

    Our leaders have sold us into Babylon for oil. We must end our love affair with doctrines of death and destruction.

  5. Tonjia:

    You are right on! Why can't our politicians and many Americans see this?