Monday, June 20, 2011

Train Up a Child

He who walks with wise men will be wise,
But the companion of fools will suffer harm.

He who withholds his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.
Proverbs 13:20,24

Liberals continue to baffle me.

On one hand, they demand to reserve the absolute right to kill their unborn children anytime it becomes an inconvenience.

On the other hand, a few weeks later as soon as that baby is born they immediately want to strip you of your rights as a parent and want to dictate every part of your parenting life…from circumcision to discipline.

Spanker? You Might Get The Clanker!
written by Liberty

A new story straight out of my home state of Texas set my blood to the boiling point as a parent who believes that there is a cataclysmic difference between child abuse and a well-deserved, appropriately placed spanking.

Rosalina Gonzales had pleaded guilty to a felony charge of injury to a child for what prosecutors had described as a “pretty simple, straightforward spanking case.” They noted she didn’t use a belt or leave any bruises, just some red marks.

Raise your hand, anyone, if you’ve ever had some well deserved red marks on your hiney placed there by a loving mother and father intent on raising a productive member of society? (My hand is straight up in the air.) I personally feared every time my mom whipped the hairbrush out of her purse or I heard my dad say, “When we get home, you are to meet me in your bedroom.” I knew I had crossed the line and would soon be getting my comeuppance. However, it was always done in love and even at the height of that discipline as a young child, I knew that.

A judge in Corpus Christi, Texas had some harsh words for a mother charged with spanking her own child before sentencing her to probation.

“You don’t spank children today,” said Judge Jose Longoria. “In the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don’t spank children.”

Rosalina Gonzales had pleaded guilty to a felony charge of injury to a child for what prosecutors had described as a “pretty simple, straightforward spanking case.” They noted she didn’t use a belt or leave any bruises, just some red marks.As part of the plea deal, Gonzales will serve five years probation, during which time she’ll have to take parenting classes, follow CPS guidelines, and make a $50 payment to the Children’s Advocacy Center.

Longaria needs a lesson straight from the heart of Texas that can hopefully be taught through the next judicial election. And maybe a spanking as well. Via CBN News:

The Texas Attorney General’s office declined to comment Wednesday on the legality of spanking when contacted by several media organizations. However, the attorney general’s website has the following information posted under the title Is “Spanking OK?”

“Texas law allows the use of force, but not deadly force, against a child by the child’s parent, guardian, or other person who is acting in loco parentis. Most parents do, in fact, use corporal punishment at least occasionally, and most do not, in fact, consider it abusive. Experts disagree about the advisability of ever spanking a child. Some say that, combined with other methods of discipline, mild spanking of a small child is harmless and effective. Others claim that other methods of discipline work as well as spanking or better, and that spanking is not necessary…”

It looks very clearly to me that this judge has overstepped his boundaries as Texas allows spankings. Perhaps this judge should spend some time over at the Juvenile Courts and see what happens when there is a lack of good, solid discipline in a home; the same court which now holds parents responsible for the child’s actions.

It is my understanding that Judge Longoria is up for re-election in 2012. Hopefully this will be the noodle that sticks on the wall and everyone remembers this incident when it is time to vote!
Reference: ; Spanker, You might Get the Clanker June 20, 2011

America is about to fall of the edge of a cliff. The philosophy that brings us to the no spanking conclusion is clearly anti-God. This is the aim of Cultural Marxism read here. (Whatever God's Word teaches is false and the opposite is true.) The verse above is quite clear "He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently." I would say that the judge above is in direct violation of our freedom of religion. He has a philosophy that is grounded in the teaching of the world. What right does the state have to rule against this woman.

Years ago, when we entered our daughters into the local Christian School, they asked my wife and I to sign an authorization to allow for the discipline of our children. We asked what this entailed and the principal explained that in extreme circumstances the school administered spankings with a paddle. We hesitatingly agreed to allow corporal punishment, based upon the above verse.

On a personal I only recall a few times that I received a spanking, but I can assure you that my fear of discipline played a key roll in my obeying my parents. we all have a different experience as children and raising our children. Please share your words of wisdom on this issue ... below.

And sadly some children are sadistically and sexually abused. The practices of Islam and other false beliefs bring horror stories to my mind. What should the governments role be in the area of discipline?

My personal opinion is that parents are responsible to train up their children. This is not the governments responsibility. If parents abuse their children, they should be prosecuted according to our laws; but a spanking is not child abuse. For Christians the verse is clear to not discipline your children is to hate them, because you are not training them in the difference between right and wrong. On the other hand to discipline our children is to love them.

On a personal parenting level, I disciplined my daughters but I never spanked them. For a large part of that time I was not a Christian. I am convinced that I did not do my daughters any favors. I have the greatest respect for some young parents I know, as I watch them now discipline their children as they train them up to be loving citizens. Others follow the psychology of the judge in the story above and the result is spoiled, self centered, selfish unloving children. We can never go wrong when we follow God's Truth.

And we must keep in mind ... the companion of fools suffers much harm.

But always remember the best training of all is the Word of God.

You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. 6“These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. 7“You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. 8“You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. 9“You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates. Deuteronomy 6:5-9

God bless you my friends, Bob
Copyright: Robert West 2011


  1. I happen to be a "Liberal" (I hate labels) and I for one don't think it is prudent to take a one-off isolated case and try and paint the picture that this is commonplace among a certain group of people (in this case "Liberals") I got my ass whipped as a kid and I for one think that it helped me to respect authority. In fact, we could get an ass whipping by anyone from the principal at school to my best friends dad! I don't know all of the particular details in the case in question but do I think we should abuse kids? No. Is there room for corporal punishment? Yes. Are we too gentle to our kids today? Yes. This is across the board by the way and not limited to "liberals" or "conservatives." Peace Out...

  2. Thanks for the feedback Tony ... but surely you must realize, and agree that most liberals are on one side and most conservatives are on the other side of this issue.

    I do not want to belabor the issue, but I am also convinced that there are many examples where good parents attempting to raise their children responsibly have been jailed and in many cases had their children taken away.

    Glad to see we are standing on common ground for a change.

    God bless friend, Bob

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